Has no one noted the fundamental shift reflected in changing the target from CO2 ppm to degrees?
Why, it’s as if the Copenhagen delegates understood that the world’s climate was entering a cooling phase, and decided to shift the target to temperature in the secure knowledge that the naturally-cooling planet would do the work for them to let them claim a phenomenal victory in a few years’ time.
stuiec of Moraga, CA, USA (Reply)
Sun 20 Dec 09 (07:14am)
Spiny Norman replied to stuiec
Sun 20 Dec 09 (01:25pm)
Good call. I suspect that is precisely what these charlatans and mountebanks are up to.
Kaboom replied to stuiec
Sun 20 Dec 09 (01:34pm)
StuieC, that is exactly spot on!
Aiming for a “target” temperature is even sillier than anything else put forward over the last 30 years, but those pesky PPMs will keep climbing. Especially from the BRIC nations.
If we are going into a low Solar Cycle 24 which may have the same effects as the 1760’s/70’s in the “Little Ice Age”, these arseh**les are going to start claiming victory.
The battle lines are drawn - we must discredit any sort of “temperature” aim as totally unscientific.
I mean, 2 degrees Celcius from what?
None of these idiots has defined the “what”. What is the base-line? Is it maximum, minimum, daily average, or what?
What temperature should the Earth’s thermostat be set at? Who sets the thermostat?
TATA is not the answer......
stuiec replied to stuiec
Sun 20 Dec 09 (02:35pm)
First there was Six Degrees of Separation.
Then came Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon.
And now we have Two Degrees of Copenhagen.
Rabz replied to stuiec
Sun 20 Dec 09 (04:23pm)
Indeed, people.
Has the oith ever had an ideal temperature?
Will it ever have an ideal temperature?
These idiots can’t govern our societies in any kind of acceptable manner, but they’re going to be able to control the woild’s temperature.
Yeah, right.
Start running, you lazy lying commie moron carpetbaggers.
We are coming to get you…
Sunday, December 20, 2009
Friday, December 18, 2009
Carpetbaggen!
FFS, ruff is a loathsome li'l toxic pansy...
“I’am 6 years old and think global warming is a crock of shit. Please quote me in your next speech.”
Party Boy of Viewbank (Reply)
Fri 18 Dec 09 (10:34am)
Go party, Squoire - you've oined it!
“I’am 6 years old and think global warming is a crock of shit. Please quote me in your next speech.”
Party Boy of Viewbank (Reply)
Fri 18 Dec 09 (10:34am)
Go party, Squoire - you've oined it!
Saturday, December 12, 2009
The Chesler!
I'll defer to Phyliss, here.
Like Thomas Sowell, one the woild's greatest joinalists.
And confounding expectations.
Rabz
Like Thomas Sowell, one the woild's greatest joinalists.
And confounding expectations.
Rabz
a man with the intellect of a cactus...
I've always enjoyed the work of MarkL of Canberra over at the Blair's. Here he atomises that increasingly unhinged hysterical greenie fascist idiot cloive 'suspend democracy' 'amilton.
Enjoy!
Hi there
I actively dislike greetings from envirodoomscreamers: they are intellectual midgets, mentally from planet Zongo.
There’s something you need to know about your father.
Could you be any more patronising if you tried?
I know infinitely more about my father than you do.
Your dad’s job is to try to stop the government making laws to reduce Australia’s carbon pollution.
Actually, he’s retired mining engineer who spent his life building large open cut coal, uranium and copper mines, mostly in the Third World.
And carbon is not a pollutant. It’s an element. Check the Periodic Table, you brobdignagian genius of the greens!
Even CO2 is not a pollutant, but an essential trace gas, critical to plant growth.
Why do you hate plants so much, Clive?
He is paid a lot of money to do that by big companies who do not want to own up to the fact that their pollution is changing the world’s climate in very harmful ways.
Actually, he’s not, and it’s not. But don’t let reality get in the way of your puerile fantasies.
Because of their pollution, lots of people, mostly poor people, are likely to die.
In reality, no. You see, the economic activity of just one of the uranium mines he helped build (Rossing, in Namibia) has lifted about 45,000 Namibians out of poverty, by providing 1,500 local jobs directly and about 2,500 local jobs indirectly.
They will die from floods, from diseases like dengue fever, and from starvation when their crops won’t grow anymore.
No proof, of course, just the usual risible, wild-eyed and baseless claims. Because they won’t, my dear child. Economic growth will improve their lives, get them out of subsistence agriculture and extreme poverty, and lead them to better, longer, richer, more productive lives.
You know, like it did for OUR great grandparents in the 1800s.
However, if people do what YOU want, they will indeed lead lives nasty, brutish and short. That you apparently do not care about that opens you to accusations of being a racist, happy for ‘little brown people’ to die as props in your pathetic moral posturing. I place on record that I honestly do not believe you are a racist at all – I know that you are simply a foolish, pampered, grossly ignorant ideologue and moral poseur, and a man with the intellect of a cactus.
The big companies are putting their profits before the lives of people. And your dad is helping them.
Oh, my dear child, you have already made it plain that you have absolutely no idea of how business works to create wealth, and to distribute it. The dark satanic mills are long gone, (albeit not in countries that follow a socialist doctrine) except in the dank recesses of what I laughingly call your mind.
Your life is going to be worse too because of what your dad is doing when he goes to work each morning.
Really? How come it isn’t, then?
By the time you are as old as your parents, Australia will be having a lot more heat waves, like the one in Melbourne earlier this year, and there will be more bush fires too.
Oh, Clive, that’s weather. It’s just as specious as your pathetic claims post-Katrina of the rapid rise in category 5 hurricanes. And since then the Atlantic hurricane seasons have been the quietest in centuries.
Droughts will be worse, and you won’t be able to have fun exploring the Great Barrier Reef because it won’t be there anymore.
Oh, really? Aside from your emotive rantings, do you have any verifiable proof? How did the reef survive the 120metre sea level rise of the last 12,000 years then? How come it survived that, but will apparently die from the 0.5 metre rise you yowl and bay about (but which is not actually happening in reality, according to the Naval Hydrographer). The seas are still rising a few centimetres a century from the end of the last ice age, and that had zero impact on the Reef last century, yes? Because some corals can grow up to 50cm a year, yes?
Or didn’t you know this, being such an ill-educated poltroon?
Deep down your dad knows all this, although he probably pretends he doesn’t. If you’ve asked him about it he probably said that the scientists are not sure what’s going to happen, or that Australia’s carbon pollution is not very big, or that business is business.
Actually, what he and I both know is the scientific method, as we are both scientifically literate. By the way, you are very publicly and very embarrassingly not scientifically literate.
We also read both sides of the discourse (which you do not) and choose to make up our own minds based on available evidence.
That evidence indicates that the AGW hypothesis is false, its proponents charlatans, corruptionists, and spivs, and that the Solar Inertial Motion theory explains the observed phenomena. (You will be utterly ignorant of SIM)
You see, Clive my dear infant, not one of the ‘computer models’ you drone on about is of the slightest value. Your AGW hypothesis cannot be confirmed by replicable experiment. Therefore, it is false.
He has to tell himself these things because otherwise he would feel too guilty and could not sleep very well at night.
In reality, he sleeps quite well at night, secure in the knowledge that his working life bettered the lives of tens of thousands in the Third World. The same ones you want to starve, so you can feel nice about yourself.
So your dad is not really a bad person.
I already know that. YOU are the bad person who wants to impose your ideology on others, and make them suffer.
He is not deliberately making the world a worse place for you and all the other kids. But he is telling lies to himself so he does not have to face up to the truth about what he does at work.
Well, actually, the ‘lies’ are yours – you see, I know your dirty little secret. This is your sick little religious cult, and you want to force it on others.
The thing is, though, that what your dad is doing is wrecking the future for my children too, and that makes me feel upset.
That’s only because you are an excessively infantilised, ill-educated, greengaia religious cultist, my dear child. Any well-read, scientifically literate, rational adult understands that CO2 is a beneficial trace gas, that minor temperature variations are a normal and natural part of the planet’s history, and that everything we have observed over the past 5,000 years is well within the natural range of variation.
Basically, you are a bedwetter of the apocalypse. This is amusing.
Many Australians feel the same way; they think that what your father does is just plain wrong, and that he should stop.
Many Australians are indeed ill-educated dullards (like you, little lad). Like you, they have amusement value for the adults, but basically we pretty much ignore them, too.
I am sure it’s hard for you to hear these words,
Oh, no, not at all, Clive old cod. While I hold religious cultists like you in scathing contempt, you bring me amusement and belly laughs.
That is your only value.
but there is something you can do to help. Why not sit your dad down and have a good talk to him. Tell him you want him to stop helping the big companies that are spoiling the future for you and all the other kids at school. Tell him that the family would rather have less money if he had a different job, one you could be proud of.
But Clive, my father is not a trendy-lefty rent-a-mob latte sipping drooltard. He is an educated, practical man who understands engineering, geology and science, and understands that you are doing this for money and for power. Your motives, dressed so prettily in maudlin emotion and religious cultic references, are base and venal.
How’d your grab for a lower house seat with all its income and power go, by the way?
Tell him that you know he will feel much happier inside if he is doing something to make Australia and the world a better place, instead of going to work every day to make it a worse one.
Clive, you pitiable little fellow, YOU attempt to make the world a worse place for others. My father actually made it a better place for many thousands of people.
See the difference?
I thought not.
Your dad has lost his way, and you might be the only person in the world who can help him find it again. So talk to him.
I love the infantile projection of fools! Yes, Clive, we are on to you ‘greens’, the green eco-religion, the green scams, and the tawdry venality of the green lust for money and power.
The stench of desperation permeates this pitiful squeal of yours. Yes, Clive, the gravy train is now a train-wreck: why, you might have to get a real job now!
Yours sincerely
You do not know what sincerity means.
And here’s my standard challenge to scientifically illiterate doomscreamers and bedwetters of the apocalypse like you, little man:
During the Ordovician-Silurian (450-420mya) and Jurassic-Cretaceous (151-132mya), global glaciations occurred when atmospheric CO2 levels were over 4000ppmv and 2000ppmv respectively. (Ref: Berner, RA and Kothavala, Z., 2001, GeocarbIII: A Revised Model of Atmospheric CO2 over Phanerozoic Time, American Journal of Science 301, 182-204.)
Today it is below 400ppmv.
How and why did this occur, when the computer models you believe in assure us that over circa 450ppmv we will have runaway greenhouse, something which is completely unrepresented in the global geological record of the last 3800 million years? (which, BTW, is prior to the development of an O2-rich atmosphere)
TTFN
MarkL
Canberra
MarkL of Canberra (Reply)
Wed 09 Dec 09 (05:27pm)
Enjoy!
Hi there
I actively dislike greetings from envirodoomscreamers: they are intellectual midgets, mentally from planet Zongo.
There’s something you need to know about your father.
Could you be any more patronising if you tried?
I know infinitely more about my father than you do.
Your dad’s job is to try to stop the government making laws to reduce Australia’s carbon pollution.
Actually, he’s retired mining engineer who spent his life building large open cut coal, uranium and copper mines, mostly in the Third World.
And carbon is not a pollutant. It’s an element. Check the Periodic Table, you brobdignagian genius of the greens!
Even CO2 is not a pollutant, but an essential trace gas, critical to plant growth.
Why do you hate plants so much, Clive?
He is paid a lot of money to do that by big companies who do not want to own up to the fact that their pollution is changing the world’s climate in very harmful ways.
Actually, he’s not, and it’s not. But don’t let reality get in the way of your puerile fantasies.
Because of their pollution, lots of people, mostly poor people, are likely to die.
In reality, no. You see, the economic activity of just one of the uranium mines he helped build (Rossing, in Namibia) has lifted about 45,000 Namibians out of poverty, by providing 1,500 local jobs directly and about 2,500 local jobs indirectly.
They will die from floods, from diseases like dengue fever, and from starvation when their crops won’t grow anymore.
No proof, of course, just the usual risible, wild-eyed and baseless claims. Because they won’t, my dear child. Economic growth will improve their lives, get them out of subsistence agriculture and extreme poverty, and lead them to better, longer, richer, more productive lives.
You know, like it did for OUR great grandparents in the 1800s.
However, if people do what YOU want, they will indeed lead lives nasty, brutish and short. That you apparently do not care about that opens you to accusations of being a racist, happy for ‘little brown people’ to die as props in your pathetic moral posturing. I place on record that I honestly do not believe you are a racist at all – I know that you are simply a foolish, pampered, grossly ignorant ideologue and moral poseur, and a man with the intellect of a cactus.
The big companies are putting their profits before the lives of people. And your dad is helping them.
Oh, my dear child, you have already made it plain that you have absolutely no idea of how business works to create wealth, and to distribute it. The dark satanic mills are long gone, (albeit not in countries that follow a socialist doctrine) except in the dank recesses of what I laughingly call your mind.
Your life is going to be worse too because of what your dad is doing when he goes to work each morning.
Really? How come it isn’t, then?
By the time you are as old as your parents, Australia will be having a lot more heat waves, like the one in Melbourne earlier this year, and there will be more bush fires too.
Oh, Clive, that’s weather. It’s just as specious as your pathetic claims post-Katrina of the rapid rise in category 5 hurricanes. And since then the Atlantic hurricane seasons have been the quietest in centuries.
Droughts will be worse, and you won’t be able to have fun exploring the Great Barrier Reef because it won’t be there anymore.
Oh, really? Aside from your emotive rantings, do you have any verifiable proof? How did the reef survive the 120metre sea level rise of the last 12,000 years then? How come it survived that, but will apparently die from the 0.5 metre rise you yowl and bay about (but which is not actually happening in reality, according to the Naval Hydrographer). The seas are still rising a few centimetres a century from the end of the last ice age, and that had zero impact on the Reef last century, yes? Because some corals can grow up to 50cm a year, yes?
Or didn’t you know this, being such an ill-educated poltroon?
Deep down your dad knows all this, although he probably pretends he doesn’t. If you’ve asked him about it he probably said that the scientists are not sure what’s going to happen, or that Australia’s carbon pollution is not very big, or that business is business.
Actually, what he and I both know is the scientific method, as we are both scientifically literate. By the way, you are very publicly and very embarrassingly not scientifically literate.
We also read both sides of the discourse (which you do not) and choose to make up our own minds based on available evidence.
That evidence indicates that the AGW hypothesis is false, its proponents charlatans, corruptionists, and spivs, and that the Solar Inertial Motion theory explains the observed phenomena. (You will be utterly ignorant of SIM)
You see, Clive my dear infant, not one of the ‘computer models’ you drone on about is of the slightest value. Your AGW hypothesis cannot be confirmed by replicable experiment. Therefore, it is false.
He has to tell himself these things because otherwise he would feel too guilty and could not sleep very well at night.
In reality, he sleeps quite well at night, secure in the knowledge that his working life bettered the lives of tens of thousands in the Third World. The same ones you want to starve, so you can feel nice about yourself.
So your dad is not really a bad person.
I already know that. YOU are the bad person who wants to impose your ideology on others, and make them suffer.
He is not deliberately making the world a worse place for you and all the other kids. But he is telling lies to himself so he does not have to face up to the truth about what he does at work.
Well, actually, the ‘lies’ are yours – you see, I know your dirty little secret. This is your sick little religious cult, and you want to force it on others.
The thing is, though, that what your dad is doing is wrecking the future for my children too, and that makes me feel upset.
That’s only because you are an excessively infantilised, ill-educated, greengaia religious cultist, my dear child. Any well-read, scientifically literate, rational adult understands that CO2 is a beneficial trace gas, that minor temperature variations are a normal and natural part of the planet’s history, and that everything we have observed over the past 5,000 years is well within the natural range of variation.
Basically, you are a bedwetter of the apocalypse. This is amusing.
Many Australians feel the same way; they think that what your father does is just plain wrong, and that he should stop.
Many Australians are indeed ill-educated dullards (like you, little lad). Like you, they have amusement value for the adults, but basically we pretty much ignore them, too.
I am sure it’s hard for you to hear these words,
Oh, no, not at all, Clive old cod. While I hold religious cultists like you in scathing contempt, you bring me amusement and belly laughs.
That is your only value.
but there is something you can do to help. Why not sit your dad down and have a good talk to him. Tell him you want him to stop helping the big companies that are spoiling the future for you and all the other kids at school. Tell him that the family would rather have less money if he had a different job, one you could be proud of.
But Clive, my father is not a trendy-lefty rent-a-mob latte sipping drooltard. He is an educated, practical man who understands engineering, geology and science, and understands that you are doing this for money and for power. Your motives, dressed so prettily in maudlin emotion and religious cultic references, are base and venal.
How’d your grab for a lower house seat with all its income and power go, by the way?
Tell him that you know he will feel much happier inside if he is doing something to make Australia and the world a better place, instead of going to work every day to make it a worse one.
Clive, you pitiable little fellow, YOU attempt to make the world a worse place for others. My father actually made it a better place for many thousands of people.
See the difference?
I thought not.
Your dad has lost his way, and you might be the only person in the world who can help him find it again. So talk to him.
I love the infantile projection of fools! Yes, Clive, we are on to you ‘greens’, the green eco-religion, the green scams, and the tawdry venality of the green lust for money and power.
The stench of desperation permeates this pitiful squeal of yours. Yes, Clive, the gravy train is now a train-wreck: why, you might have to get a real job now!
Yours sincerely
You do not know what sincerity means.
And here’s my standard challenge to scientifically illiterate doomscreamers and bedwetters of the apocalypse like you, little man:
During the Ordovician-Silurian (450-420mya) and Jurassic-Cretaceous (151-132mya), global glaciations occurred when atmospheric CO2 levels were over 4000ppmv and 2000ppmv respectively. (Ref: Berner, RA and Kothavala, Z., 2001, GeocarbIII: A Revised Model of Atmospheric CO2 over Phanerozoic Time, American Journal of Science 301, 182-204.)
Today it is below 400ppmv.
How and why did this occur, when the computer models you believe in assure us that over circa 450ppmv we will have runaway greenhouse, something which is completely unrepresented in the global geological record of the last 3800 million years? (which, BTW, is prior to the development of an O2-rich atmosphere)
TTFN
MarkL
Canberra
MarkL of Canberra (Reply)
Wed 09 Dec 09 (05:27pm)
Friday, December 11, 2009
Let's all go and live in the police state formerly known as the soviet unionionion...
Sounding more and more like the old eastern block every day
- power outages - check
- coffee rationing, forced to drink instant - check
- meat rationing - check
duncan (Reply)
Fri 11 Dec 09 (09:18am)
Rabz replied to duncan
Fri 11 Dec 09 (01:22pm)
Also:
No cars – check
No flights – check
No fun – check
Braindead envirofascist busybodies telling you how to live your life – check
Yep, bring it on…
- power outages - check
- coffee rationing, forced to drink instant - check
- meat rationing - check
duncan (Reply)
Fri 11 Dec 09 (09:18am)
Rabz replied to duncan
Fri 11 Dec 09 (01:22pm)
Also:
No cars – check
No flights – check
No fun – check
Braindead envirofascist busybodies telling you how to live your life – check
Yep, bring it on…
Some Chrissy thoughts...
Well,
Safely back in the office after attending my previous workplace’s Chrissy party last night.
Drank lots of beer, got into at least four separate arguments over global norming and ended up committing the ultimate social faux pas of telling a lesbian woman (not a goil) I thought she was cute (Beer goggles - never!)
Ended up getting a taxi home via Glebe (to drop off a hippy harpie) driven by an agreeable Bangladeshi chap who was of the opinion that his former homeland indeed wasn’t doomed and he was in favour of adaptation, not idiotic mitigation…
About the most sensible person I encountered all night.
Rabz of a woild gone stark ravin' bonkers... (Reply)
Fri 11 Dec 09 (01:36pm)
Safely back in the office after attending my previous workplace’s Chrissy party last night.
Drank lots of beer, got into at least four separate arguments over global norming and ended up committing the ultimate social faux pas of telling a lesbian woman (not a goil) I thought she was cute (Beer goggles - never!)
Ended up getting a taxi home via Glebe (to drop off a hippy harpie) driven by an agreeable Bangladeshi chap who was of the opinion that his former homeland indeed wasn’t doomed and he was in favour of adaptation, not idiotic mitigation…
About the most sensible person I encountered all night.
Rabz of a woild gone stark ravin' bonkers... (Reply)
Fri 11 Dec 09 (01:36pm)
Saturday, December 5, 2009
Pot Heads
Well,
Goimany, Soibia and Gharna...
Six points (at least, don't want to be greedy!)and progression to the knockout roonds, methinks, people!
Great news. Bit annoyed we couldn't have drawn the Kiwis and the poms in our group - now that would've been epic.
And behold, the group 'o' death!
Brazil
Portugal
Ivory Coast
the dirt eaters (kim il jongans) making up the numbers
Some photos and images:
Goimany, Soibia and Gharna...
Six points (at least, don't want to be greedy!)and progression to the knockout roonds, methinks, people!
Great news. Bit annoyed we couldn't have drawn the Kiwis and the poms in our group - now that would've been epic.
And behold, the group 'o' death!
Brazil
Portugal
Ivory Coast
the dirt eaters (kim il jongans) making up the numbers
Some photos and images:
Friday, December 4, 2009
Some thoughts about ‘class issues’…
By The Way, sterilise the bastards...
As I've stated before on this blog, if you leave school and you're illiterate, addicted to drugs and/or alcohol and unlikely to do a day's productive work in your life (and assaulting and/or robbing people for a ‘living’ doesn't count) then you should be forcibly prevented from breeding.
The evidence is overwhelming - stupid people have the least reason but unfortunately the most time to breed and on that basis alone should be sterilised.
Abstinence simply doesn’t enter into the equation.
The reduced usage of law enforcement, criminal justice, health and education resources alone overwhelmingly justifies such a course of action. Not to mention the massive reduction in incidents of degradation and abuse of kiddies…
So that's it then, thank you, ‘social woikers’ – please go jump.
You do more damage to people when you’re alive.
As I've stated before on this blog, if you leave school and you're illiterate, addicted to drugs and/or alcohol and unlikely to do a day's productive work in your life (and assaulting and/or robbing people for a ‘living’ doesn't count) then you should be forcibly prevented from breeding.
The evidence is overwhelming - stupid people have the least reason but unfortunately the most time to breed and on that basis alone should be sterilised.
Abstinence simply doesn’t enter into the equation.
The reduced usage of law enforcement, criminal justice, health and education resources alone overwhelmingly justifies such a course of action. Not to mention the massive reduction in incidents of degradation and abuse of kiddies…
So that's it then, thank you, ‘social woikers’ – please go jump.
You do more damage to people when you’re alive.
Thursday, December 3, 2009
How's that gerbil wormenising going, commies?
Brilliant, love the term 'CRUdGate' as well.
Here's an excerpt:
Lastly and as a slight aside, why so little from the MSM? That one is easy. You need to have a decent analytical brain just to deal with the chain of events. You need to have a decent analytical brain, a mathematical/scientific mind and a good grasp of some very hard statistics to understand what is being done to massage the numbers and to see how significant it is to the chain of events.
Slice your average environment correspondent through the middle and you're going to find a left-leaning liberal arts graduate who is utterly out of his/her depth. Their world view is being swept from underneath them and they are being shown—in ways that they do not really and have never had to understand—that the guys they thought were the goodies are in fact "at it" and that those they have spent a decade disparaging as deniers were in fact spot on.
I would find that hard to report too.
Here's an excerpt:
Lastly and as a slight aside, why so little from the MSM? That one is easy. You need to have a decent analytical brain just to deal with the chain of events. You need to have a decent analytical brain, a mathematical/scientific mind and a good grasp of some very hard statistics to understand what is being done to massage the numbers and to see how significant it is to the chain of events.
Slice your average environment correspondent through the middle and you're going to find a left-leaning liberal arts graduate who is utterly out of his/her depth. Their world view is being swept from underneath them and they are being shown—in ways that they do not really and have never had to understand—that the guys they thought were the goodies are in fact "at it" and that those they have spent a decade disparaging as deniers were in fact spot on.
I would find that hard to report too.
Wednesday, December 2, 2009
Tuesday, December 1, 2009
Why I hate frog canuckistanians with an undying passion
20 years after this atrocity - and idiots ponce around wearing white ribbons, FFS!
The vast majority of frog canuckistanians are amongst the most evil, bigoted braindead commie pansies on the planet.
They deserve to have their so called country and society collapse around their filthy smelly ears.
Utterly appalling and disgusting.
And to think I wasted four days of my life there (frog canuckistan) in 1993.
The vast majority of frog canuckistanians are amongst the most evil, bigoted braindead commie pansies on the planet.
They deserve to have their so called country and society collapse around their filthy smelly ears.
Utterly appalling and disgusting.
And to think I wasted four days of my life there (frog canuckistan) in 1993.
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