I've always enjoyed the work of MarkL of Canberra over at the Blair's. Here he atomises that increasingly unhinged hysterical greenie fascist idiot cloive 'suspend democracy' 'amilton.
I actively dislike greetings from envirodoomscreamers: they are intellectual midgets, mentally from planet Zongo.
There’s something you need to know about your father.
Could you be any more patronising if you tried?
I know infinitely more about my father than you do.
Your dad’s job is to try to stop the government making laws to reduce Australia’s carbon pollution.
Actually, he’s retired mining engineer who spent his life building large open cut coal, uranium and copper mines, mostly in the Third World.
And carbon is not a pollutant. It’s an element. Check the Periodic Table, you brobdignagian genius of the greens!
Even CO2 is not a pollutant, but an essential trace gas, critical to plant growth.
Why do you hate plants so much, Clive?
He is paid a lot of money to do that by big companies who do not want to own up to the fact that their pollution is changing the world’s climate in very harmful ways.
Actually, he’s not, and it’s not. But don’t let reality get in the way of your puerile fantasies.
Because of their pollution, lots of people, mostly poor people, are likely to die.
In reality, no. You see, the economic activity of just one of the uranium mines he helped build (Rossing, in Namibia) has lifted about 45,000 Namibians out of poverty, by providing 1,500 local jobs directly and about 2,500 local jobs indirectly.
They will die from floods, from diseases like dengue fever, and from starvation when their crops won’t grow anymore.
No proof, of course, just the usual risible, wild-eyed and baseless claims. Because they won’t, my dear child. Economic growth will improve their lives, get them out of subsistence agriculture and extreme poverty, and lead them to better, longer, richer, more productive lives.
You know, like it did for OUR great grandparents in the 1800s.
However, if people do what YOU want, they will indeed lead lives nasty, brutish and short. That you apparently do not care about that opens you to accusations of being a racist, happy for ‘little brown people’ to die as props in your pathetic moral posturing. I place on record that I honestly do not believe you are a racist at all – I know that you are simply a foolish, pampered, grossly ignorant ideologue and moral poseur, and a man with the intellect of a cactus.
The big companies are putting their profits before the lives of people. And your dad is helping them.
Oh, my dear child, you have already made it plain that you have absolutely no idea of how business works to create wealth, and to distribute it. The dark satanic mills are long gone, (albeit not in countries that follow a socialist doctrine) except in the dank recesses of what I laughingly call your mind.
Your life is going to be worse too because of what your dad is doing when he goes to work each morning.
Really? How come it isn’t, then?
By the time you are as old as your parents, Australia will be having a lot more heat waves, like the one in Melbourne earlier this year, and there will be more bush fires too.
Oh, Clive, that’s weather. It’s just as specious as your pathetic claims post-Katrina of the rapid rise in category 5 hurricanes. And since then the Atlantic hurricane seasons have been the quietest in centuries.
Droughts will be worse, and you won’t be able to have fun exploring the Great Barrier Reef because it won’t be there anymore.
Oh, really? Aside from your emotive rantings, do you have any verifiable proof? How did the reef survive the 120metre sea level rise of the last 12,000 years then? How come it survived that, but will apparently die from the 0.5 metre rise you yowl and bay about (but which is not actually happening in reality, according to the Naval Hydrographer). The seas are still rising a few centimetres a century from the end of the last ice age, and that had zero impact on the Reef last century, yes? Because some corals can grow up to 50cm a year, yes?
Or didn’t you know this, being such an ill-educated poltroon?
Deep down your dad knows all this, although he probably pretends he doesn’t. If you’ve asked him about it he probably said that the scientists are not sure what’s going to happen, or that Australia’s carbon pollution is not very big, or that business is business.
Actually, what he and I both know is the scientific method, as we are both scientifically literate. By the way, you are very publicly and very embarrassingly not scientifically literate.
We also read both sides of the discourse (which you do not) and choose to make up our own minds based on available evidence.
That evidence indicates that the AGW hypothesis is false, its proponents charlatans, corruptionists, and spivs, and that the Solar Inertial Motion theory explains the observed phenomena. (You will be utterly ignorant of SIM)
You see, Clive my dear infant, not one of the ‘computer models’ you drone on about is of the slightest value. Your AGW hypothesis cannot be confirmed by replicable experiment. Therefore, it is false.
He has to tell himself these things because otherwise he would feel too guilty and could not sleep very well at night.
In reality, he sleeps quite well at night, secure in the knowledge that his working life bettered the lives of tens of thousands in the Third World. The same ones you want to starve, so you can feel nice about yourself.
So your dad is not really a bad person.
I already know that. YOU are the bad person who wants to impose your ideology on others, and make them suffer.
He is not deliberately making the world a worse place for you and all the other kids. But he is telling lies to himself so he does not have to face up to the truth about what he does at work.
Well, actually, the ‘lies’ are yours – you see, I know your dirty little secret. This is your sick little religious cult, and you want to force it on others.
The thing is, though, that what your dad is doing is wrecking the future for my children too, and that makes me feel upset.
That’s only because you are an excessively infantilised, ill-educated, greengaia religious cultist, my dear child. Any well-read, scientifically literate, rational adult understands that CO2 is a beneficial trace gas, that minor temperature variations are a normal and natural part of the planet’s history, and that everything we have observed over the past 5,000 years is well within the natural range of variation.
Basically, you are a bedwetter of the apocalypse. This is amusing.
Many Australians feel the same way; they think that what your father does is just plain wrong, and that he should stop.
Many Australians are indeed ill-educated dullards (like you, little lad). Like you, they have amusement value for the adults, but basically we pretty much ignore them, too.
I am sure it’s hard for you to hear these words,
Oh, no, not at all, Clive old cod. While I hold religious cultists like you in scathing contempt, you bring me amusement and belly laughs.
That is your only value.
but there is something you can do to help. Why not sit your dad down and have a good talk to him. Tell him you want him to stop helping the big companies that are spoiling the future for you and all the other kids at school. Tell him that the family would rather have less money if he had a different job, one you could be proud of.
But Clive, my father is not a trendy-lefty rent-a-mob latte sipping drooltard. He is an educated, practical man who understands engineering, geology and science, and understands that you are doing this for money and for power. Your motives, dressed so prettily in maudlin emotion and religious cultic references, are base and venal.
How’d your grab for a lower house seat with all its income and power go, by the way?
Tell him that you know he will feel much happier inside if he is doing something to make Australia and the world a better place, instead of going to work every day to make it a worse one.
Clive, you pitiable little fellow, YOU attempt to make the world a worse place for others. My father actually made it a better place for many thousands of people.
See the difference?
I thought not.
Your dad has lost his way, and you might be the only person in the world who can help him find it again. So talk to him.
I love the infantile projection of fools! Yes, Clive, we are on to you ‘greens’, the green eco-religion, the green scams, and the tawdry venality of the green lust for money and power.
The stench of desperation permeates this pitiful squeal of yours. Yes, Clive, the gravy train is now a train-wreck: why, you might have to get a real job now!
You do not know what sincerity means.
And here’s my standard challenge to scientifically illiterate doomscreamers and bedwetters of the apocalypse like you, little man:
During the Ordovician-Silurian (450-420mya) and Jurassic-Cretaceous (151-132mya), global glaciations occurred when atmospheric CO2 levels were over 4000ppmv and 2000ppmv respectively. (Ref: Berner, RA and Kothavala, Z., 2001, GeocarbIII: A Revised Model of Atmospheric CO2 over Phanerozoic Time, American Journal of Science 301, 182-204.)
Today it is below 400ppmv.
How and why did this occur, when the computer models you believe in assure us that over circa 450ppmv we will have runaway greenhouse, something which is completely unrepresented in the global geological record of the last 3800 million years? (which, BTW, is prior to the development of an O2-rich atmosphere)
MarkL of Canberra (Reply)
Wed 09 Dec 09 (05:27pm)